Who says being a kindergartner is easy?
You learn to read and count. You have to share games and toys.
And your parents argue big-time over what you can and can’t eat for lunch, snacks and birthday celebrations.
A fun kindergarten treat? Or a death sentence?
Jennifer Boyd and Erika Miller thought their cause was just. The Green’s Farms Elementary School moms bonded over a mutual interest in healthy foods, and their concern that the Westport school district’s wellness guidelines are not being followed in their sons’ classrooms.
“We saw candy, processed foods and desserts being eaten,” Boyd says.
“We know the CDC statistics. One-third of all kids born after 2000 will have Type 2 diabetes. Autism and ADHD are linked to food choices. We’re raising the 1st generation of Americans who won’t live as long as their parents.”
Boyd has worked with Amy Kalafa — a documentary filmmaker whose “Two Angry Moms” slams schools that serve junk food.
Boyd and Miller arranged to show the video this Tuesday (June 1, 9:30 a.m., Westport Public Library). A high-powered panel — including Kalafa, Boyd, sustainable food advocate John Turenne, State Rep. Kim Fawcett and holistic pediatrician Dr. Lori Storch-Smith — will answer questions afterward.
“Tasty food samples from local vendors” will be served.
But not everyone thinks Boyd and Miller’s crusade is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
“Another mom showed the same movie last year,” Boyd says. “She got resistance from administrators, and a small but vocal minority of parents.
“They felt threatened their kids wouldn’t get chicken nuggets. They said, ‘That’s all my child eats.’ People don’t like to be told what to eat.”
That’s not all. Boyd says that parents have retaliated against her — “canceling play dates when I tried to ban candy.”
Boyd believes “a lot of parents are like Erika and me. They want the schools’ wellness policy to be enforced.” That means more organic and whole foods — preferably from local sources — in Westport’s cafeterias.
Boyd and Miller want those cafeterias to “actually cook foods. Right now they just open packages for quick ‘meals.'”
She is frustrated that school districts in West Virginia and New Haven have embraced the “Two Angry Moms” concept — while Westport hasn’t.
“Michelle Obama is talking about food and exercise all over the country,” Boyd says. “Yet here in Fairfield County we’re afraid to say birthday celebrations should be candy-free.
“People like us haven’t had a voice before. Now we’ve got one. All we want is to stand up for our kids, and make them as healthy as possible.
“Pizza, cheeseburgers, French fries — or a salad? That’s not a choice for a child.”
(For more information, click on http://greencleanfoodqueen.blogspot.com/. Boyd’s wellness website is www.therapa.com.)
People on crusades don’t understand that not everyone wants to embrace their faith.
The school’s nutrition policies are valid within reason and balance, something these moms’ campaign seems to lack.
Cake and candy, and other processed foods have a place in one’s diet. Living is about enjoying life not just being regimented.
Organic is not always better. It is easy to make a statistical argument that the United States’ processed, food-additive injected food supply is actually the healthier choice. United States mortality and morbidity statistics for the last century bear that out.
Oh my gosh, with childhood obesity becoming an epidemic in this country, how can anyone say that it’s fine to get kids hooked on high-fructose corn syrup and sugars added to everything (try to find even smoked salmon without sugar added to a naturally sweet fish or any ketchup without sugar high on the ingredients list)?
But what I’d love to hear these moms describe is WHAT meals they would like the cafeterias to offer. I agree that a child won’t choose a salad over a pizza, but perhaps there are ways to have chunks of freshly cooked chicken that they will like along with a “salad” of carrot sticks and grape tomatoes (that my grandchildren gobble up without knowing they are “healthy”). I know that people hate to be told “what to eat”, but with obesity such a problem, many parents don’t know what good foods a child can eat (that doesn’t have to necessarily be organic). Jennifer and Erika, can you spell out what choices are possible … to lessen the fears of parents who DO want the best for their children but don’t realize which foods set up an addiction to sugars and carbs that will harm the child?
Dan, I am sad to hear that Ms. Boyd felt that she got “resistance from the administration” when she brought her concerns to Westport last year. At that time, a large crowd of interested/concerned parents gathered at the library, saw the movie, heard a discussion and also listened while parent and administrative members of the school district’s Food Advisory Committee spoke about the changes that have occured in the cafeterias, the equipment/space limitations, the changes in curriculum and on-going teacher training (not to use candy as rewards in the classroom) and their hopes for the future.
Ms. Boyd and all attendees were welcome to attend the Advisory meetings which are open to the public. One person came to the next meeting and none since. We are extremely fortunate to have nutritionally aware and concerned parents who are willing to spend the time working with the administration and a very responsive food provider, Chartwell’s, on food in our cafeterias. Every school has a rep who can get answers to any parent’s questions for them. While researching ingredients, and purchasing more and more locally, we also keep balance and moderation in mind, and try to stress the importance of parents helping their children to make healthy choices for themselves out of a range of foods, not just taking every questionable food away.
I will relay a story of when I taught briefly in the Fort Bend school systsem outside Houston. It was “Health Week” at the Middle School and as coach-teacher of 7th graders, I suggested that the vending machines, filled with coke and candy, be “out of bounds” for the week. I was met with strong opposition by the Principal who announced: “That revenue from the vending machines is going to send our band to Dallas next month.” So it is often money versus health. And as always, money wins out.
Jennifer and Erika should check out the healthy food program at the Unquowa School in Fairfield. They seem to have found a good compromise between health and what kids will eat.
Also, ingesting more healthy food is only half of the equation. The other half is exercise. I personally eat plenty of junk food but I am in what most people would say is extremely good shape. In striving to reduce all risk to our little angels, we have also reduced exercise. How many kids walk or bike to school? How many play outside on their own without structuring a play date or activity? Sitting around inside will definitely increase calorie count.
As a sugar addict for most of my life, I can relate to the comments mentioned above. It is very difficult to keep sugar and the simple carbs away from anyone’s diet, let alone children. Exercise can definitely be the answer at that age, however. If these kids are running hard during P.E. class and playing hard after school, I should think, with their metabolisms, they will not gain weight. Problem is that most don’t exercise after school and sit in front of the various technological advances we call progress and get fat. Run, Forrest, run!
As much as I would like to think that only eating healthy organic foods is akin to diet bliss… I think we all have to be realistic. Richard and Pauly make good points. Forcing people to eat a specific way in my view isn’t kosher(no pun intended of course) Along with that ideal, there is the idea of cost. We all know how expensive “natural” and “organic” foods are. When preparing foods en masse, the costs can add up.
Generally I think its up to the parents. If they feel that the foods the schools serve aren’t up to snuff, pack the kids a lunch. And also make sure they are active.
A good attribute of living in this part of the country is that healthy living is highly promoted.
In the early 1980’s, with an over-surplus of grain and footstock in this country, they food manufacturers started to add fructose and other sweetners to our food to increase demand and consumption. At that juncture, obesity rates began to rise in America to the alarming rate they are now. I am sure the schools can create a diet that is basically non-processed foods that kids will eat. They did in the 1950-60’s for us here in Westport. But if the kids go home to junk food, what is the difference? As usual, we are looking to the schools to curb the problem when the real problem lies at home.
I find it interesting that this blog entry follows the one regarding the replacement for Ben & Jerry’s! Of course, Mr. Woog is paper thin!! Yet to this credit, he does work out twice a day.
Too much “angry” in the world. Need to change their name but certainly good cause. But whatever happened to “eat what is front of you, Tommy. People are starving in Africa”???????
“I want MacDonalds!”
One of the problems is for us poor folks, eating junk food is cheaper than buying “good” food.
According to the DVD “Food, Inc.”, WalMart will buy-sell anything the consumer wants. If the demand is there for organic “good” food, they will supply it. For a new generation that is supposidly enlightened to all sorts of communication, health and ecological advances, they are still stuck in the rut of smoking, eating junk food and binge drinking. Same ole song but different players. Are we being brain-washed by big business??? Would they rather have us fat, smoking, sick and addicted than healthy????
Certainly does not help their profit margin if we are eating berries and nuts and don’t go to the doctor!
P.S. For those not in reality, Wal Mart has become the largest food retailer in America.
I don’t remember eating a single hot lunch in three years at Staples. In fact I don’t remember eating anything at all except for chocolate chip cookies, which were sold 3 for 25 cents. As soon as we had licenses, we’d drive to Dairy Queen for triple burgers, which were subsidized by fat coupon books that DQ mailed around. I think I still have a few of those burgers hanging off my waistline 30 years later.
I applaud the changes these Moms are trying to make. School lunches have NEVER been healthy. When my kids were going through the school system in the late ’90s I chose to make their lunches because I couldn’t stand what they were being offered in the cafeteria.
What I heard from my kids was that everybody wanted to “trade” and eat their lunches.
This continued on through high school and I often put extras in as large a lunch bag that I could find so that they could have an after school snack if they wanted something after sports practices.
What I didn’t know at the time, was that they were feeding other kids, who were less than enchanted with the offerings at school. My eldest once said to me that I just didn’t get it – I was known at school as the Mom who made great lunches and kids being kids, they wanted in on it. Simple as that.
But the problem is far more difficult that it would seem on paper. First – cost for organic. Second – who is going to prepare the organic food in the healthiest possible way. The lunch ladies I saw were hardly what I would consider to be good cooks. Third – there appears to be more kids with allergies than ever before – how that could be addressed I don’t know, but I suspect it would involve more money and make things even more complicated. I think a plan could be developed that would work, but I think that getting the okay through the school administration could be a challenge.
I don’t think it is complicated at all. You put a priority on good food at school and try to instill such insights into what is eaten at home by the kids. If it costs more, so what? It is a lot cheaper than Don’s bypass surgery. We are talking serious obesity here. Many school systems have done it with good results. But it has to be a priority, not “kids will be kids” attitude.
Maybe if the kids in class weren’t looking at overweight teachers, it might help as well. When I taught, we used to call them “amoeba butts” as most of the teachers were overweight middle aged women. Sorry to be sexist but it was true. The kids (middle schoolers) had no respect for many of such teachers because of their shape. And then they would scold the kids for eating junk while they popped a Snickers bar in their jaw.
I have to agree with” Igor” above. Put some emphasis on the lunches. There are plenty of ways to cook good food at the right prices by qualfied people. If the kids bring junk from home, toss it in the garbage. I know a family of two doctors who have not allowed their kids to have sugar or processed food. They have no allergies, no behavioral problems and are in good shape. I am afraid, in these days, the tail wags the dog i.e. the kids are determing what they eat or what is served at home and school.
I have a feeling that Michelle Obama is going to become one strong “angry” Mom herself and make some strides in this matter.
And just who do you think will be the’ food monitor’ that will decide if you will toss my kids lunch in the garbage? Are you crazy enough to believe they will hire a food cop to check the kids lunch and if doesn’t fit Michelle Obama’s criteria…out it goes?!
I always try to understand my liberal friends that don’t want anyone to tell them ‘what to do with my body’ (as they proceed to do you know what) and yet tell me I can’t have a french fry in saturated fat with salt.
How do you reconcile this? How can you kill a baby, but I can’t have salt? Seriously.
Please enlighten me because I can’t figure this one out.
Igor,
Totally missed my point – the kids CHOSE the good stuff –
I read this recently in a magazine: “Don’t ask your child what he wants for dinner unless he’s buying.”
Sensible One: If the kids CHOSE the good stuff, why are they fat??
Frankly, I don’t see too many obese kids at the bus stops these days – and when my kids were at Staples, (three years ago) there were few and far between that were overweight. My point, (which you obviously disagree with) is that when you provide fabulous food for kids, they make the right choices. I am very interested to hear which schools have done all of this with “good results”. I would love to see the list that you obviously have access to – I’m sure that Jennifer Boyd and Erika Miller would love to have a conversation with them.
I admire both Jennifer and Erika for trying to encourage school cafeterias to offer both healthy and tasty meals. And you do have to make it tasty and appetizing or the kids won’t eat it.
The school does offer somewhat healthy foods, but they’re terrible and the kids just throw it away, most times without even opening it (I’ve volunteered in the cafe and witnessed it first hand for a year). My kids really think the school lunches are bad and almost never buy it and I’m more than happy to make them a much higher quality meal that’s balanced and one that I know they’ll eat.
The company that has the food contract should be replaced with a company that can offer tasty and healthy foods at a fair price…and there’s the rub! I’m sure it all comes down to money and time. How much are we willing to spend on a child’s meal which includes how much time (money) are we willing to spend on preparing it.
And while child obesity maybe on the rise across the country, it’s my humble opinion that it’s not so much an issue here in Westport. The kids in this town eat very well at home and participate in many sports, dance or gymnastics after school. Ask yourself how many over weight kids you know (in this town). Still a healthy diet offers many more benefits than just staying trim.
However, lets not forget every now and then a kid needs a warm chocolate chip cookie and a big glass of (organic) milk and a two scoop ice cream cone with sprinkles on a hot summer evening.
And Angry Moms don’t stop trying to make those school lunches healthier and tastier!…just leave the alpha sprout, tofu, gluten free soy vegan pizza off the menu.
Wow, are you all living in a vaccum. Childhood obesity has tripled in the past thirty years. Presently, 18% from the ages of 12-19 are obese in this country. For “Sensible One,” the USDA reported in 2005: “Making it Happen! School Nutrition Success Stories.” 32 schools were utilized for experimental testing of different menus. Not only did the kids lose weight but half the cafeterias made more money or continued with the same budget. Hopkins in Minnesota and Vista Unified School District in California are some examples but I am sure “Angry Moms” are well aware of any expanded listing. Open your eyes and ears, there is more to this country than Westport. And while Mr. Raho may be right on the distasteful menu at school and the average BMI in this town, they did autopsies on Vietnam Vets back in 1972, average age 19, and 50% had arterial blockage. That is the American diet and it is in the schools, on the Post Road and I will bet, in most homes.
Mr. Raho: If you are referring to “abortion” as killing babies, Roe v. Wade was decided in 1972. Get over it. As to your need for salt, if you are willing to pay your own hospital bills when you have a stroke from high blood pressure, have at it. Sprinkle all you want. But if you want the government or my insurance company to pay for your indulgence, you can take your liberatarian ideals and . . . switch to pepper. Please.
CS,
So if it’s a law already we should all just sit down, shut up and accept it? Is that what you’re saying?
Do you feel the same about AZ immigration law? By your rationale, you should be fine with it and go with the word of the law. I guess you felt the same before the 1964 Civil Rights Bill. Don’t say a word man…it’s the law.
So why are you telling me to ‘get over it’. Right now salt isn’t banned in Westport so why are you arguing for healthy diets mandated by the government. Right now the law allows us to do and eat what we want, by your own argument you shouldn’t voice any opposing view.
And besides now that we have ‘Obama Care’ we can get triple by pass surgery all free…so what’s your beef?
Am I still allowed to say beef? (see above post)
Heck, they can’t smoke in the lunch room. Why should they be allowed to put other poisons in their body? Why is it crazy for a lunch monitor to monitor what kids eat? I did it for 34 years and I am not a “liberal.”
So you’re the decider?
Igor,
I looked at the school lunch menus for the Vista Unified School District in California which you pointed out were School Nutrition success stories – – The offerings for May 2010 lunch are as following: Chicken Popcorn, Pizza Stix, Hamburger, Corn dog, Hot dog, Shrimp Poppers, Nino’s pizza. Those that chose to have breakfast got a choice of waffle stix, mini pancakes or a honey bun. Oh, and of course they got milk with that.
Is this really your idea of a “success story”???
Whoa, good googling. Perhaps it is a success story compared to what the kids ate before such a menu? Like coke and a candy bar for breakfast and lunch. If you are correct in your premise that kids chose correctly, why do many college freshpersons go through the “freshman fifteen” referring to the pounds they put on first year? I am not sure why we are aruging this point. Everything/everybody is perfect in Westport and the whole rest of the country is getting fat for some unknown reason. Since we banned plastic bags, I guess we have solved global warming too. Or do you not believe in that as well. What exactly is your point Sensible One? That there is no problem with obesity in this country?
If you don’t think they have some fat kids in this town, just sit outside Stop & Shop some time and watch. I am telling you, it is ugly.
And you know all those kids going in and out of Stop & Shop are from Westport?
Why don’t you go and check out the schools instead so that you may get a real sample of Westport school children.
Freshman fifteen? Try 20 pounds. That is me on North Avenue running.
What a fascinating forum. As a newcomer to Westport from Vermont (born in NJ), I have seen and heard a lot on this issue. As a sp.ed. teacher at every school level, and parent of teenagers with all types of friends, I understand that food choices depend upon many factors. What it comes down to is this: In an ideal world, public facilities would offer an array of healthful, locally produced (when possible) food with non-addictive seasonings and toppings. This food would be affordable, and recreation would be widely available and free to everyone. So would good drinking water. Empty-calorie food wouldn’t exist. People would support eachother and promote wellness in all areas of life: diet,fitness,emotional health, community inclusion, work, creative expression ~ rather than judging people by their appearances and writing them off when they don’t fit our template. Anyone can suddenly be in a wheelchair, drooling, not looking like a model, with a stain on their fancy shoes. Yes, even you, so think before you judge people’s bodies and general constitution. Diet is part of a much bigger picture about values, resources, community goals, business ethics, and informed personal choice. We all need to GET THAT and say no to poison of every variety.
What she said!
Welcome to the blog and Westport, Rebecca. What you have to say makes much sense. I think many things occuring recently in this country result directly from our culture. That includes Wall Street bubble bursts, oil spills, angry Tea Party Movements and as noted here, obesity in our children. No easy fixes as you aptly state but let’s shoot for the ideal and I agree with the start: get the poisons off from our plates.
Thank you, Marathon Runner, much appreciated.
Thank you, Rebecca for bringing an interesting point of focus. I have often banged my head against the desk trying to awaken many of this town to the problem issues of our country. It is not that they are ignorant, selfish or uninterested. But there is a reason why many of lower echelon economic groups are overweight, uneducated and are fighting our wars. Our culture has become so class subjective that many truly do not understand the plight of those less fortunate. That being said, our culture has also produced those responsbile for greed on Wall Street and apparent ecological neglect in the Gulf. I think the first step is this awareness that we all are products of this culture we live and must continue to examine “why” of each issue before us. Thank you for your insightful comments.
In the 30+ years I have lived in the town of Westport, it has filled up with sanctimonious meddlers. Why should the wishes of any specific interest group be forced down the throats of the overall community? If you don’t want your kids to eat junk food, then send them to school with food that is consitent with your ideology/religion.
The problem with this logic “Jeffxs” is that these kids end up with diabetes and/or serious medical problems which becomes a burden on our entire society. In addition, kids pumped on sugar are hardly attentive students so you create another issue of discipline. I am not sure why the issue of good healthy food in our schools should be a debate. I find it hardly meddlesome but thoughts of concern and you are assuming in your comment that schools now serve “junk food” which I think is untrue. And I have lived here over 50 years.
It took you 30 years to be filled up with sanctimonious meddlers in this town?? Wow, you are either very patient or had your head in the stand. Was Mr. Newman such a meddler when he bought up land to preserve? Or were the donators to the Staples grants, meddlesome when they sought kids should have the opportunity to go to college? Your “Live Free or Die” philosophy doesn’t fly in this town. Perhaps New Hampshire is more to your liking.
I wonder if Herb Baldwin was a sanctimonious meddler when he insisted that the town buy Longshore fifty years ago?
I amend my post; “moronic santimonious meddlers.” It seems that they cannot recognize the difference between voluntary actions and those that are compelled. They cannot understand the difference between inherent externalities and those that exist only because of government intervention. They believe that each and every one of us should act as if we believe as they believe. They are the very face of totalitarianism.
Jeffxs,
Know matter how much you illustrate your point with specific details and real life examples our liberal friends still won’t get it, because they know what’s best for us and what we need. Because they’re smarter than us and we commoners are unable to help ourselves.
Whoa! We go from junk food to totalitarianism?
I don’t believe anyone on this blog page has advocated any mandatory consumption of school food. Anyone can bring their own “brown bag” if they so wish or go hungry for that matter. In the entire scheme of things, however, if you want to do your own thing, fine. God’s speed. But I suggest you read today’s blog entry on EMT’s before you so harshly judge “government intervention.” And we “morons” do remember that First Selectman Baldwin was an governmental entity and made a very unpopular decision among those who argued the same point you are now.
Excuse me, but Chance Simon and others have advocated that someone monitor and discard children’s lunches brought from home if they aren’t ‘healthy’. So yes indeed, some on this blog are advocating just that.
Why do these folks who advocate complete individualism and freedom always have to use generalizations and insulting words? Really? It is like having a discussion with a dictionary.
If you read Jeffxs’ comments very closely you will notice his orignal premise that Westport schools just serve junk food. Therefore, the efforts and rhetoric of Madames Boyd and Miller are the voice of a minority that can only find solace in a private school that apparently is of a certain “ideology/religion” compatible to their views. And he is calling others who disagree “meddlesome morons.” Yikes! Scary.
One of the characteristics shared by the moronic sanctimonious meddlers (MSMs) is the inability to recognize their action for what they are; coercion. If the angry moms have their way, as taxpayers, we will be forced to subsidize the serving of only those foods sanctified by the high priestesses of the cult of “healthy food.” Why should this cult be the only one recognized as the sanctifier of foods? How about all of the other cults?
If the angry moms want sanctified foods to be available to their children, they should send them to schools with the chosen foods. Other students should not be subjected to the whims of a cult.
As to the purchase of Longshore, we can never know to what use the property might have been put eventually, because all others options were foreclosed. The claim that the path chosen was optimal is spurious; there is no way of knowing.
If you feel that an effort to revitatize the school food program through healthier food, i.e eliminate simple sugars, is a cult and that any other option of purchasing Longshore but for the pleasure of the town residents is of similar nature, I feel very sorry for you. For you are a complete idiot.
I find myself agreeing whole heartily with Mr. Swanson today.
Poor Mr. Swanson. Not a clue. “Healthier” food? Says who? Swanson is willing to coerce any and all into behaving as if they believe as he believes; he is a true cultist. What passes for his argument with respect to Longshore is both incoherent and unsustainable. He has absolutely no idea of what might have transpired had the Town of Westport not purchased the property, but because he thinks the purchase produced a best case outcome, it must be so.
Who says simple sugars are harmful to your body??? Every doctor in this country. Or is that a conspiracy? It doesn’t matter what might have transpired in 1960 either, what is, is. And Longshore is the best investment the town of Westport ever made. You may disagree but all you are doing is playing verbal volleyball to inspire some kind of insecure ego or anger. I suggest you find some “cult” of your own and join up because all you are doing here, is blowing nonsensical three syllable hot air.
I do know what would have transpired if the Town of Westport had not purchased the Longshore property. My father was there and it was not a pretty alternative. Do some research. As to simple sugars, I don’t have time to argue with the ignorant, I gotta go run 10 miles. Eat your Snickers bars, frown on any possibility of the Town of Westport making a wise decision and continue with your sophomoric dulldrums and philosophy. I believe the UnaBomber’s shack is available in Montana!
Hey Jeffxs! I dig it man. I mean, this cult stuff and all. I could get into all that free sex and drugs. What you smoking bro? The Dude Abides.
Dude,
Funny stuff!!
Thank you, Igor. I, too, am continually frustrated by the fact that the real issues affecting our society and impacting every decision we make are NEVER ADDRESSED. We’ve become a reactionary nation instead of a thoughtful nation. We have access to BRILLIANT minds, but there is not enough HEART and integrity among the influential to pursue routes that lead to Respect, Care, and Equal Opportunity (this means accommodations are the Rule) for all. Instead we have empty words and perpetually oppressive/patronizing actions: the periodic “rescuing” of the “lesser beings” we have created and marginalized through an insatiable appetite for power, superior status and more than our share of resources. Unspoken is the belief and justification “we’re special” and “we deserve what we have, and aren’t we nice to be charitable here and there, to throw everyone else down there a bone?” The same things that make a community attractive can cause its members to protect what they value at all costs, and to develop a judgmental attitude based on fear of loss. And that’s just plain ugly.
With every post the moronic sanctimonious meddlers reveal themselves. I took no issue with the so called “science” that produces the condemnation of simple sugars. I take issue with the simpletons who wish to force us all to act as if we believe as they believe. The MSMs can’t sustain their argument so they try the old two-step; introduce irrelevant screed. As of yet not one of the MSMs has offered any justifiaction for forcing their will on us all. The cult of MSMs is illiberal and totalitarian. They hide behind a feigned concern for all of our welfare; how special of them.
Man, you are some kind of freaky! I can dig the individuality vibe sounds but as Sister Rebecca (wow can she write!) tells us, you ain’t putting no solutions on the table. So I guess that makes you a MSM too, man. Gotta burn one, dude. Later.
I can tell you never spent any time in the military Jeffxs. I might just say you sound like one of those commie bastards. Waht dose that xs mean. Some kind of comrade slogan.
Do they put that MSM in Chinese food because I don’t like it. Keeps me up at night
Any serious conversation on diet that includes the inclusion of simple sugars is “moronic.”
If Doc Jim has followed the thread, he would see that it was not I who introduced the concept of simple sugars. Simple or not, the issue remains the same.
Ida: That would be MSG. Pay attention.
Dude: There is no “problem” other than the efforts of some of the MSMs to force us all to worship as part of their cult. The “solution” is for the cult members to just leave us alone.
Gunney served in Vietnam with Blumenthal.
“And it kind of makes debates over Westport cafeteria food seem like small potatoes, huh?”
http://06880danwoog.com/2010/06/03/update-from-yani-oprea/
First Marine Regiment in Bosnia, Desert Storm.
Semper Fi , mother-&^@^*(3
Then MSN isn’t some kind of kinko sex play. I am not into that either.
With all due respect to Mr. Woog, I guess that would depend on whether they are french fried or boiled potatoes. Rebecca has brought up some very interesting issues with Jeffxs counterpunches. It is a healthy dialogue well beyond that of a stranded Westporter in Guatemala. While I feel great empathy for her plight, what the hell is she doing down there in the first place? Further, since we are being so compassionate, what about the those serving in Afghanistan. I didn’t see anything on that over Memorial Day. I always thought this blog was without judgement or confinement?
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